Friday, September 16, 2005

Wake Up America

There can be no real individual freedom
in the presence of economic insecurity.

Chester Bowles

Mr. Bowles' wisdom makes the following contrast in headlines from today's BBC Business News that much more troubling.

Chinese economy continues to boom
"China's growth shows no sign of slowing, according a new report by the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development (OECD)."

US consumer confidence plunges
"US consumer confidence has plunged to its lowest in more than a decade after Hurricane Katrina, a report shows."

Wake up America! Quit your whining about the pledge of allegiance, gay marriage and Britney Spears' new baby. Your kids are fat, the society is getting dumber and the Republicans and Democrats are too lame to address anything of substance.
It's economics stupid and no one is paying attention.


At 2:33 PM, September 16, 2005 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...


While I agree with much of your post I am also worried about our journey towards Atheism as our National Religion.

Here is a short post that I wrote recently, rather than providing the link, it is so short I thought it would be OK to just quote it:


There are only two choices we can make about this nations core identity and beliefs.

Either we get our "Rights" from a creator, ("that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights"), or we are just some random event that has little significance, and there are no "unalienable" rights.

Either we are a nation that recognizes that there is a God or we say that there is no God. It's like being pregnant; there is no middle ground. Either we are a "Theist" nation or an "Atheist" nation.

Even Agnostics fall on the side of the Atheists. When you ask them do you believe in God, "yes" or "no", they say, "Well I can't say "yes."

Making this one choice does not mean that this nation is "making laws that "establish" or "promote" a single religion, because we all know that there are thousands of religions that believe in God.

None of us want a National Religion that only recognizes one religion. Either we recognize thousands of religions that recognize many different versions of God or we recognize a "single" religion that recognizes "no God".

But choose we must, because there are those that want to change us to a single Atheist religion instead of allowing us to continue to have a foundation of many different religions.

They attack religion under the guise of being secular.

Secular does not mean "anti-religious", it means, "not relating to a religion or a religious body." - American Heritage Dictionary

Atheism is a belief, a belief that there is no God, which makes it a religion. From the American Heritage Dictionary.."The doctrine that there is no God or gods." A doctrine is a religious dogma.

Again we can be secular and still acknowledge God, (however we choose to worship), as long as we do not promote a single religion.
The Founding Fathers wanted a Secular (not relating to a particular religion) government, but at the same time recognizing religion in general.“Of all the dispositions and habits which lead to political prosperity, Religion and morality are indispensable supports. In vain would that man claim the tribute of Patriotism, who should labor to subvert these great Pillars…” - George Washington



At 3:05 PM, September 16, 2005 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...


I like your explanation of what it means to have a secular government.

However, do you really believe that atheism is becoming the national religion? That seems like a lot of right-wing hype, but I guess it depends on the peak from which you are viewing the issue.

Since I am not a religious person, I think there is A LOT of religion in America. Too much. Perhaps if I was religious, I would think that there is not enough religion in America.

What is enough religion?

At 3:32 PM, September 16, 2005 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...

It is clear from the founding fathers that the rule of law comes from morals and without morals that have a standard and not just "relative moralism", can we then survive as a nation of laws.

I think we just need to recognize that the question of God is the single most important question still unanswered.

If there is a God, and I belive there is, then it should be important to show him respect, as when the founding fathers felt it was, by not excluding an acknowledgement that our rights are endowed by our Creator.

A National religion is the worst, but just an acknoldgement of us not being Anti-God is good enough for me.

Let public leaders acknowledge God as long as we don't have proselyting by our government of a particular religion.

Excluding God is the only thing worse than a national religion.


At 3:45 PM, September 16, 2005 , Blogger bombsoverbaghdad said...

There is no moral structure when there is widespread poverty. It's very easy for us to pontificate to the rest of the world about what they need to be doing because we have it relatively easy here. Think about it: we're protected by two vast oceans, and we have non-threatening neighbors on our borders; we have land to grow everything we need, and our climate is probably the best in the world.

I'm sour on the economy, but what does that really mean? I'm sour on growth. I think we will stagnate, but our standard of living will still be much higher than the rest of the world's.

As for China, it has a long time before it catches the US. I'm not saying it won't happen; it'll just be a long time. And I don't see any REAL push to enhance our education system, so...

At 3:59 PM, September 16, 2005 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...

Morals are irrespective of poverty. Both Rich and poor steal.

Because someone gets money doesn't change his morals.

It is a well known fact that our freedom, and our capitilistic system is what has given us our wealth.

Russia has just as much good land in good climate areas as we do, but they choose to have the slavery of communism to try to provide economic stability.

They failed, and are moving towards capitalism along with China for much of their production, even still retaining much of their totalitarism ways of government.

Moral treatment of our neighbors does not change the baasic concept that government has no moral right to force property from those who have earned it and give it to those who haven't.

That is called stealing.

The government should never do what an individual can't because it is illegal for him to do.

If it is illegal for you to steal it should likewise be illegal for the governmnet to steal.


At 6:05 PM, September 16, 2005 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...

So FAR - do you really think there is a move toward a national religion of atheism?

Even if there can't be a Ten Commandments placard in a courthouse or "under god" in the classroom, how does that prevent Americans from acknowledging god? Freedom of religion means that government is not forcing the citizenry to acknowledge god. It is each individual's choice to do so.

We are not dealing with a situation akin to Communist Russia where religion was banned outright and atheism was imposed as the national religion.

At 3:05 AM, September 18, 2005 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...


The first step is to make Atheism as the National Religion.

Next we should look to Europe for what happens after that.

There is too much P.C. Muslems cannot wear scarfs, Christians cannot wear crosses, Jews cannot wear their skull caps. It might "offend" someone. :(


At 9:59 AM, September 19, 2005 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...

What happened in France is absurd. No doubt on that one, but do you think that is happening here?

At 2:19 PM, September 19, 2005 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...


You see "Activities" are what is at stake here.

Activities that "offend."

The government should not be in the business of restricting freedom. Some could argue that not allowing Same Sex Marriage is restricting freedom, but it really isn't.

The State has choosen to "saction" and "endorse" certian behavior or activities as beneficial to society, such as marriage between a man and a woman.

So, "endorsing" an Activity or not endorsing it is not really a freedom issue.

Now, the "Activity" of wearing a cross, or a skull cap are activities that the "state" should not get involved in.

If people want to engage in homosexual activity, or live with more than one woman, it should not be illegal, but if the state decides to saction it, then that is not "restricting" other activites.

The left wants to make "activities" all about "rights." So, to secularize these activities, the state feels it must "exclude" ALL activities that "offend" because they think it is about "rights" instead, and that certian "classes" are being excluded, when in reality it is the fact that when it endorses some "activities" it is not making others illegal.

Hope that I am not just being repetitive and my thoughts are actually making sense?


At 3:30 PM, September 19, 2005 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...

I think I understand it. But, where do you draw the line on what gets endorsed, restricted, sanctioned, etc.? It's all philosophical, but how is refusing to put a 10 Commandments plaque in a courthouse an endorsement of atheism?

At 9:55 PM, September 19, 2005 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...

It's not.

The problem is when this country has endorsed Theism for over 200 years and then all of the sudden, it offends someone so they try to get rid of the endorsment of Theism which by way of default endorses Atheism.

Next is the removal of "In God We Trust" from our currency. It will happen in the next 5 years.


At 8:14 AM, September 20, 2005 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...

Why does that matter though? Each individual maintains the right to worship whatever deity strikes his fancy. I was pondering the France situation and what distinguishes the US from France is that France outlawed individuals from expressing their personal religious beliefs (like communist Russia). Here, citizens are reminding government that it is the people, not the government, that are in charge of religion.

There is no bigger government than one that attempts to promote or endorse religion. Isn't that the ultimate example of big government? Give unto Caesar what is of Caesar and give unto God what is of God.

At 3:34 PM, September 22, 2005 , Blogger Reign of Reason said...

This is the real 'threat' to American security for the next few decades.

China is gonna eat our economic lunch if we don't get our act together!

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