Thursday, October 25, 2007

Mother Night

"You hate America, don't you?" she said."That would be as silly as loving it," I said. "It's impossible for me to get emotional about it, because real estate doesn't interest me. It's no doubt a great flaw in my personality, but I can't think in terms of boundaries. Those imaginary lines are as unreal to me as elves and pixies. I can't believe that they mark the end or the beginning of anything of real concern to the human soul. Virtues and vices, pleasures and pains cross boundaries at will."

--Mother Night


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At 12:01 PM, November 01, 2007 , Blogger Reign of Reason said...

Nationalism/Patriotism are a farce.

The nation should stand for a set of principles... and its people should fight for those: not a name, flag or slogan.

Unfortunately, that's where we are: cheering for a empty symbol.

 
At 1:51 PM, November 01, 2007 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...

Who gets to decide for what principles a nation should stand?

 
At 2:16 PM, November 01, 2007 , Blogger Reign of Reason said...

In a democracy/republic? The ones enshrined in the laws/protections that guarantee liberty(ies).

 
At 10:49 AM, November 02, 2007 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...

I meant, which people in a nation get to decide what that nation's principles are?

And out of curiosity, what is a nation?

 
At 11:51 AM, November 02, 2007 , Blogger Reign of Reason said...

A nation is a group of people who are represented by a much smaller group that make the laws, regulations, etc. that govern the many...

Unfortunately -- for a variety of reasons -- the nation's leaders can represent principles that the populace does not endorse.

This is very common amongst nations.

 
At 5:01 PM, November 02, 2007 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...

Has it ever been the case that the leaders of a nation represented the populace's ideals?

And how would leaders know what a disparate group of people with divergent interests believe is ideal?

It is possible that is a matter of the leaders manufacturing and shaping the ideals of the people rather than the other way around?

 
At 9:07 PM, November 07, 2007 , Blogger Wesley Gibson said...

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At 5:25 AM, November 23, 2007 , Blogger Brent said...

The quote seems weighty and profound -- until the reader realizes whoever spoke it is completely misunderstanding the idea of "loving a country." Real estate (itself suspiciously vapid terminology for the idea of beautiful countryside) is only a small part of it; in fact you could argue it has little to do with the whole concept, but I'll stop short of there because I wouldn't want someone using my words against me in defending notions such as illegal immigration.

 
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