Tuesday, April 17, 2007

Movie Review:: An Inconvenient Truth


Al Gore's famous lecture on the perils of global warming finally made it to our living room yesterday to mixed reviews. The polemic, divisive flick earnestly attempts to make the scientific case for both the existence of and causation of global warming. Surprisingly humorous and thoughtful Al Gore compellingly demonstrated the former, but his dramatic tactics in support of the latter left something to be intellectually desired.

Powerful images of receded glaciers, disappearing icecaps and higher water lines bear witness to the profound changes happening on our planet. The icecaps of Kilimanjaro that now look like light sugar frosting on a cake, the ice shelf in Antarctica that has fallen off, thereby the shrinking the continent and dead coral reefs that no longer serve the pivotal role of supporting vibrant ecosystems are a testament to what is in store.

The analysis in the film then shifts to the shakier ground of explaining "why" the earth is warming. As the argument goes, the byproduct of industry and human consumption is increased CO2, which thickens the atmosphere and traps the sun's radiation that would otherwise be released back into space.

To illustrate the point, Gore points to a graph that documents the earth's temperature and corresponding CO2 levels for the past 650,000 years.
The top line, representing CO2 levels, erraticly but progressively ascends as it approaches the present, paralleled by a white line representing temperature. This, Al Gore tells us, is the smoking gun evidence that proves that CO2 levels are causing the temperature increases and wacky weather in many parts of the world.

It is on this point where skepticism set in. The age-old blurring of the line between correlation and causation is an intellectual pitfall that understandably ensnares the unwitting observer. Correlation, on the one hand, means "the degree to which two or more attributes or measurements on the same group of elements show a tendency to vary together." On the other hand, causation is "anything that produces an effect". Racial profiling is a good example of this intellectual fallacy. It may be true that there is a correlation between members of a certain race and commission of specified crimes, but it does not mean that the race of the person caused the person to commit the crime. Many other variables influence each result.

That CO2 levels and temperature levels correlate does not mean that CO2 increases cause temperature rise. Indeed, it could be the opposite.

All in all, however, it was a thought-provoking flick. Those who otherwise care about a healthy environment, clean water and breathable air do not need armageddon scenarious to scare them into moderating their consumption. One need only visit Beijing or Cairo to experience the destructive effects of unfettered pollution. And, for those who refuse to believe that the wastes generated by our society's ravenous consumption will ultimately be our downfall, no amount of reason will change their minds.

People should conserve resources, recycle and not be wasteful. Not because Al Gore peddled an end-of-the-world prophecy, but because it makes sense.

38 Comments:

At 2:27 PM, April 17, 2007 , Blogger mrsleep said...

We can debate the source or cause of global warming all we want. The bottom line? It's warming.

Also the bottom line? The environment is precious and we have to take steps to protect it.

I'm glad you raised this point. I work for a very large, hi tech giant. We have a bunch of very smart people working here. We have corporate objectives to reduce green house gas emissions over a long time frame.

I watched planet earth on the Discovery channel a few days ago. Bank of America is a key sponsor and is committing $20 billion dollars over a 10 year period to protect the environment.

 
At 4:49 PM, April 17, 2007 , Blogger skip sievert said...

20 billion to support the environment? Pardon me while I laugh. You are joking right?---------- People think they can 'fix' things with money. Once a resource is destroyed, it is gone forever.
Hello Suckers.
All choices are and will be made wrongly for the foreseeable future in the present system. All choices are predicated on abstract reasoning, gotten at by abstract concepts.
- For those that do not understand Global Warming and the correlation between Co2, and warming etc. I suggest this simple experiment.
Park you car in your garage, and close the garage door. Now leave the car running, adjust your seat for comfort, and read three or four chapters from a favorite book.
Experiment over. NOT rocket/science. We live in a closed system.

 
At 5:56 PM, April 17, 2007 , Blogger mrsleep said...

true skip. you are correct it takes behavior change.

 
At 7:54 PM, April 17, 2007 , Blogger Mr. Wilson said...

Hmmm...I had a similar problem with the movie, although I have seen much bigger offenders of using people's fear against them... in general I don't like for someone to appeal to me by inciting negative emotions, particularly fear and guilt. I almost can already think of a more humanstic proactive approach to motivating me and I think people make better choices with the come from a postive space emotionally anyway.

"I am sorry, young street hippie, if I don't think much of Lyndon Larouche, but you are never going to reach me trying to make me feel guilty that I don't want to sit and talk about how we gotta get rid of Dick Cheney. I didn't put him in office."

Don't stir up fear and doom in me.

"I understand, Reverend, that you have a mandate to save souls, but I am not going to sit here and think of you as my brother in Christ-love when you are conjuring up images of hell and eternal suffering in order to win my heart.

Even if someone is successful in making me feel negatively, I won't respond to these feelings with positive proactive action to improve the world, but selfishly in the easiest way to abate the negative feelings I am having. I think this is why you soccor moms pull up to the recycling station in a Range Rover. There is no integrity from a person who is acting in fear. They only do what is required to change their feelings. Besides, I am smart enough to realize I am being manipulated eventually, and that will create resentment. I logically know that many church folks are kind, but I still cannot go near a christian church because of all the resentment I have about the manipulation. And I don't care how noble the cause is, my emotional health is not being considered when someone resorts to making me feel bad to get me to do what they feel is good. I understand that Al Gore is passionate about this issue, but he is playing a numbers game trying to change the most people's behavior the easiest way he knows how. Even if I change my personal consumption because of the film and my subsequent fear, what about all of the anxiety that i carry around now because I cannot influence the automobile industry or petroleum industry or the clear cutting of rain forests to the degree that abates my fear and anxiety?

"Mr. Gore, if you are going to tell me the world is dying because of me, at least lie to me and tell me it is also in my power to save the world. When you tell me the oceans are going to rise and chaos and economic depression are to breakout globally, I might just get depressed and act more selfishly than before before the lights go out in this mofo."

Scare tactics often backfire in this way. Hell, maybe Ted Haggard wouldn't have been smoking meth with a male prostitute if he hadn't had so much anxiety about going to hell for the contents of his heart.

I understand how and why scare tactics work. They might motivate people to action, but at what cost emotionally and pyschologically? Who cares if we save the world if we cannot maintain a quality of life because we are constantly being bombarded emotionally by images and messages that seek to replace one fear/insecurity with a larger fear/insecurity? How is that good for me in the long run Mr. Gore?

Okay enough of my rant.

mr. wilson

P.S. I had fun the other night and Yvonne did too. Sorry I left so early, but I was sleepy.

 
At 9:09 PM, April 17, 2007 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...

Skip,

Isn't it carbon MONOxide, not DIOxide, that comes out of the tailpipe of the car? :-)

Mr. Wilson,

Excellent point about trying to motivate people out of fear. It is no different than the way religious establishments manipulate people into obedience, but not into goodness. Indeed, Gore's fear tactics aren't even motivating him to downsize from his 20,000 sq' mansion.

 
At 10:26 AM, April 18, 2007 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Natural sources of atmospheric carbon dioxide include volcanic outgassing, the combustion of organic matter, and the respiration processes of living aerobic organisms; man-made sources of carbon dioxide come mainly from the burning of fossil fuels for heating, power generation and transport. It is also produced by various microorganisms from fermentation and cellular respiration. Plants convert carbon dioxide to carbohydrates during a process called photosynthesis. They produce the energy needed for this reaction through the photolysis of water. The resulting gas, oxygen, is released into the atmosphere by plants, which is subsequently used for respiration by heterotrophic organisms, forming a cycle.

 
At 2:54 PM, April 18, 2007 , Blogger mrsleep said...

Hee, Hee, Hee. Looks like there is a Global Warming outbreak in Congressman John Doolittle's home in Virginia (my Congressman), as the FBI just raided his home.

He is best buds with Abramoff, Brent Wilkes, and other sterling convicts.

This is gonna get good. My neighborhood is 99% Wingnut, and all of them voted for this Bozo.

 
At 10:25 PM, April 18, 2007 , Blogger Mr. Wilson said...

ii,

i have noticed that when people are really intellgient but also firm in their idealogy and arguments, some others will take a great deal of pleasure in witnessing any error that intelligent person made. i have always found this to be a peculiar kind of compliment.

oh. by the way, on a completely unrelated note...

you were half right...

automobiles produce BOTH carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. carbon monoxide is a byproduct of incomplete combustion. carbon monoxide is much more toxic to humans than carbon dioxide, so that is why it is associated with car fumes being dangerous...

 
At 4:35 PM, April 19, 2007 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...

More and more scientists are saying that they don't "know" if it is humans who are causing the warming. As soon as they say it, they are belittled and said to be heritics. Where's the diversity of opinion?

It's "If you don't agree with us "sky is falling" scientists, then not only will you not get funds, but we may loose some of ours!" After all who will fund the "All is well research project?"

Gore is the "ONLY!" one who is predicting 20 foot sea level rise. Even the U.N. keeps revising it's estimates downward, and I think they are now at a maximum of 17".

Computer Programs is what my vocation was for most of the past 20 something years and what my degree is in, and We have all heard the saying "GIGO"...garbage in, garbage out.

This "sky is falling" secular armageddon is based upon computer modeling and I would bet a few compter programmers like me could pick apart the algorithms in a nano-second.

We can't use computers to predict the weather next week, but we are supposed to belive we can in 40 to 80 years?

How convienent Gore won't probably be around to be forced to live down his silly forecast based upon computer modeling that "assumes" the cause and effect that as you say ii, may be backwards.

The streets are wet, therefore it is going to rain!

Yep, I believe it, Mr. Gore. And you have never been known to lie either!


FAR.

 
At 9:25 AM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger mrsleep said...

FAR. Screw Gore.

Is the planet warming yes or no?

Does it alarm you that Glaciers that took 10's of thousands of years to form, are vanishing in decades.

Do you believe greenhouse gases contribute to warming, yes or no? Whether or not Man is the driving factor or not is not necessarily the point. If we are contributing, then we should do with what is in our control to influence this.

Do you feel protecting the environment is important?

 
At 12:47 PM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...

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At 12:53 PM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...

Mr. Sleep,

Is the planet warming yes or no?

Yes.

It goes through Warming and cooling cycles every 1600 years, so what?

See "http://www.springerlink.com/content/h522418683276527/"


Does it alarm you that Glaciers that took 10's of thousands of years to form, are vanishing in decades.

No, because there are places just 300 miles away where just the opposite is happening, (if my memory serves me.)

Do you believe greenhouse gases contribute to warming, yes or no?

Yes, But I believe most of it is natural.

If we are contributing, then we should do with what is in our control to influence this.

As long as it is logical and not hysterical to the point of destroying our economy or making people who shout "Armageddon" rich at the expense of sheep who don't really look at both sides of an issue.

Do you feel protecting the environment is important?

What idiot wouldn't?

I think we should do it based upon science not "sky is falling hysteria", using questionable computer models, but maybe I am silly for wanting debate on this and not being shouted down by calling people "Globing Warming deniers are equivalent to Holocaust Deniers" and that is supposed to shut up the dissenters.

Reasonable Response? Or do I automatically get an “F” for being a skeptic?


FAR.

 
At 2:02 PM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger mrsleep said...

FAR. We can sit around and analyze data until the cows come home, and we'll never have definitive modeling ability to prove what is driving the climate changes.

I'm sure we are in the middle of a regular climate phase, of which man is influencing the natural cycle.

How much more data do you want? How many more PHD's have to weigh in before you are convinced we have to take some action.

Do we have enough information that we recognize we should be trying to take steps on capping emmissions? Don't give me any BS that it costs too much.

Go ahead and call the President and tell him his bonehead power plant energy/emission credit policy is ruining the environment. Tell him that the millions of tons of Mercury he has tossed into the environment is ruining the food chain, and impacting prenancies.

After you do that, you can come back and tell me you give a damn about the environment.

 
At 2:18 PM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...

MrSleep,

How many more PHD's have to weigh in before you are convinced we have to take some action.

Might does not make right! Most Scientists thought the Universe did not have a beginning until just a few decades ago.

There are a "significat" number of scientists who disagree with much of the "Global Warming" analysis and they are either ridiculed or are afraid to go public because of the attitude of those who feel like they know it all.

See this wonderful piece that ii, gave reference to:

http://www.lewrockwell.com/shaffer/shaffer152.html

There are some significant scientists who have no connection to the oil companies or any other special interest group who are disputing much of the "concensus."

Of course, they are told to hush up and told that "don't you know that there is a fountian of money for any scientist that will say we need a grant to study this concensus on Global Warming?"

Follow the money and there you will find the sheep and the deception.

Don't bring up Bush to me as I am no fan of his but then I don't blame him for all the world's ills as some do either.

Have an open mind and don't just fall for whatever the mainstream is saying as there just might be some facts that don't add up that you will miss.

Facts such as...

1. "Records of atmospheric carbon dioxide (CO2) levels since 1940 show a continuing increase, but during this period, global temperature decreased until 1975.."

2. "Theories of global temperature increase due to enhanced greenhouse gas concentrations predict that the temperature high in the troposphere should increase at the same rate as it has near the surface, but satellite and weather balloon data as of 2001[7] did not show this."

3."Carbon dioxide is only a very small percentage of the atmosphere (0.038%) and humans only contribute a small part of the total CO2 emissions in a year (less than 1%). Volcanos, on the other hand, produce more than all the cars and factories in the world. This means that human CO2 emissions cannot be the main cause of global warming."

4. "According to the work of Eigil Friis-Christensen, changes in solar activity match changes in global temperatures much more accurately than do changes in CO2 levels."

And much more....But if your mind is made up then what can anyone say?


FAR.

 
At 3:44 PM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Dear Free Agency.
I could suggest that you take up the earlier experiment that I proposed. It would be dangerous though, and you might have someone drag you out of the garage, after you become unconscious. ----
As a contrary who does not know much, you seem to have a libertarian ax to grind, that I find boorish, and cog-like.
Those types in my mind are even worse than Repubs and Dems, since they seem to have virtually no values, other than phony economic ones Ha ha.
By citing the 'economy', preservation of jobs, and an off the wall reference to the holocaust, I find your miserable anti-intellectual attitude sort of comic.

 
At 3:46 PM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger mrsleep said...

Let's see, if Noah lived today, President Bush, and the Oil Industry would say, "God is a little too excited about this. We're just in a period of cyclical climate change. We always have rainy periods. Some years it rains more than others. Don't sweat it Noah, take a load off, don't build that Ark. Open an animal park for all the animals you've collected. You'll make lot's of money, by having the world's biggest petting zoo. Plus we don't need to protect the animals natural habitat anymore, since you've built this great animal park, we can clearcut the forests, and build shopping malls, and Country Clubs for the Rich. However, just to show we're all in favor of alternate energy sources, we'll give you a government Grant to convert all the animal waste into bio-fuel.

 
At 4:14 PM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger mrsleep said...

FAR. My mind is made up that the climate is warming, and that alarms me. We should take some serious steps to put some controls on greenhouse gases and take more serious steps to protecting the environment.

I'm not advocating the Gore approach of the sky is falling, but we have enough information to tell us we have to do something different.

You agree as well that the climate is warming. However you can go ahead and keep gathering your data, and looking a scores of more analysis, and Industry based studies. Me?

I'm in the process of doing house remodeling, and adding lot's more insulation in my home, energy efficient appliances, and more energy efficient windows. I'm working from home more as well. I'm looking into installing some type of Solar energy system at home. That is probably a year or two away, as I have my hands full with what I'm doing as well. My wife will be getting a new car next year, and it will probably be a Prius, or one of those efficient Diesel cars that is currently being developed in Europe.

I plant new trees every year on my property, and recycle my lawn cuttings, and other trimmings from my garden. These go for compost coverings for my grapevines.

My one negative contribution is that CO2 is a by-product from the fermentation of my winemaking.

Oh well, that is a sacrifice I am not going to make.

 
At 6:19 PM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...

Skip,

Just an observation about your comments about everyone who comments here...

You seem to personally attack everyone.

Do you realize that is how many have reacted to your comments, or have I not seen what I think I have?

Do you think everyone but you can't see their nose in front of their face?

As for me, It dosen't really bother me since I don't know you.

I only get offended by people I respect, and so far I am not sure you have been civil enough to earn my respect. Nothing personal, just an observation.

People might actually listen to what you have to say if you didn't come across like you are the most intelligent person on the planet.

Anyway to your point.

"...drag you out of the garage, after you become unconscious...."

Aren't you making several assumptions?

First, you assume that what you are saying is a valid analogy, I don't believe it is.

Second, you assume that the facts are what you precive them to be, and I and many others think your "worldview filter" is skewed like everyone else's including mine.

Everyone tends to summarily dismiss anything that confronts their worldview and readily accept anything that agrees with it.

FAR.

 
At 6:39 PM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...

Mrsleep,

I admire your contribution to the environment, really, not being sarcastic.

I am also for conservation and I hope you noticed unlike many people I answered you direct questions with direct answers, which I think you will admit, most refuse to address them.

I also gave you facts that were not from "Industry based studies" unless you consider several well respected scientists like Richard Lindzen - Professor, Department of Meteorology, M.I.T. who has never worked for any oil company or done any study for any related industry, a shill for some undeserved reason.

Did you completely ignore my statement in my last reply to you where I said..."There are some significant scientists who have no connection to the oil companies ..?"

Confront the facts I presented. Professor Lindzen has challended any and all scientists to a formal debate at the Academy of Sciences with full peer review present and so far all we here is "balkp - balkp, balkp" or however you would spell the clucks of chickens.

You are wrong about the "why" I am not concerened though.

1. We don't really know if warming will really cause any problems. What if more food would grow in a warmer climate?

2. We need to consider the advances in technology that could solve any problems that might arise.

3. I have been exposed to at least five or six other "sky is falling" scenieros, "overpopulation, mini-Ice Age, Heterosexual Aids, out of oil by 1994, Bird Flu, etc, etc," and none of them have ever happened. How many more "Armageddons" do we fall for? I guess for some it is at least one more.

I do respect your opinion as you have always been civil and have a good head on your sholder.

I just think that this time many are over-reacting to things where some are trying to be a prophet.


FAR.

 
At 9:20 PM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger skip sievert said...

I think I may have observed before that you seem like a first class idiot Free Agency.
In that sense, you have earned my respect, as such.
Anymore questions? Hope I am clear.

 
At 10:26 PM, April 20, 2007 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...

Skip,

Ever read "How to win friends and influence people?"

You must not have. But then, you also must not be here to persuade anyone to your position, as that would be absolutely futile with your approach....

Name callers are people who don't know how to persuade with a friendly good presentation.

Would you classify yourself as a "name caller?"

FAR.

 
At 7:29 AM, April 21, 2007 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Sorry, not interested in obscure,homemade debating points.
WHEN ONE DOES NOT CARE WHAT THE HELL ANYONE ELSE THINKS,(and there is no reason one ought to), you take away all power from others.
Thus the type of game playing many engage in.

 
At 8:55 AM, April 21, 2007 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...

Yep, it is obvious the way you name call to put others down, that you don't care what others think.

I care about what others I respect and those who respect me think, but not those who play games of name calling because they can't engage in a respectable discussion.

People, in general, who put others down do it usually because they have a low self esteem and by putting down others they believe it lifts them up.

Next you'll say that you didn't call me a first class idiot because you know you otherwise will have to admit that you are a "name caller" and you just might see that what is being said above is true of people in general and your brain just might let you see it's truth and it will hurt.

Or more likely you'll just call me another bad name, and I'll laugh.

FAR

 
At 3:38 PM, April 22, 2007 , Blogger Jeffrey said...

Here's the one you should watch now, it's called the great global warming swindle.

 
At 5:50 PM, April 22, 2007 , Blogger skip sievert said...

ZNet Commentaries by Vandana Shiva
India needs her small farmers For food security, livelihood security, peace and democracy (04/06/07)
From Corporate Land Grab to Land Sovereignty (Bhu Swaraj) (02/02/07)
Coke Pepsi and the Politics of Food Safety (09/06/06)
Corporate Rule = Facism (08/10/06)
End of Cheap Oil, The Global Energy Crisis and Climate Change (06/26/06)
The US – India Nuclear Agreement (04/21/06)
Wheat Imports: Will India Reverse To A Ship To Mouth Existence? (02/18/06)
Beyond the WTO Ministerial in Hong Kong (12/26/05)
Trade Liberalisation Is Not Development (12/10/05)
India's Water Future (11/03/05)
Terrorism, Agriculture and U.S India Cooperation (08/10/05)
Water Privatisation And Water Wars (07/14/05)
The Polarised World Of Globalisation (05/28/05)
How To End Poverty: Making Poverty History And The History Of Poverty (05/15/05)
Wto, Patents On Lifeforms And Amendments In India's Patent Law (04/13/05)
Tsunami Teachings: Reflections for the New Year (01/23/05)
Water Tariff Increase: Rushing Towards Water Privatisation (12/18/04)
Terra Madre: A Celebration Of Living Economies (11/26/04)
An Attack On People’s Movements (11/05/04)
Who Won, Who Lost: The Victory of the Agribusiness in the WTO Framework Agreement (08/26/04)
Wto Negotiations And The Betrayal Of The Doha Mandate (07/29/04)
The Indian Elections 2004: The Vote Against Corporate Globalisation (06/19/04)
Building Water Democracy : People's victory against Coca-Cola in Plachimada (05/13/04)
Wheat Biopiracy (04/24/04)
The Suicide Economy Of Corporate Globalisation (02/19/04)
Towards A People Centred Fair Trade Agreement On Agriculture (12/24/03)
River Linking Project (11/19/03)
Victory In Cancun (10/18/03)
Coke : Hazardous Even Without Pesticides (09/26/03)
W.t.o. Agreement On Agriculure (09/11/03)
Biotech Wars: Food Freedom Vs Food Slavery (06/25/03)
Biotech Wars: Food Freedom Vs. Food Slavery (06/16/03)
Bechtel And Blood For Water: War As An Excuse For Enlarging Corporate Rule (05/13/03)
The Crisis Of Potato Growers In U. P. (04/25/03)
Globalisation And Its Fall Out (04/06/03)
Globalisation And Its Fall Out (03/25/03)
On Pests, Weeds And Terrorists: Weaving Harmony Through Diversity (12/03/02)
In Praise Of Cowdung (11/17/02)
Terrorism As Cannibalism (01/25/02)
Doha: Saving Wto, Killing Democracy (12/04/01)
Biotech Companies As Bioterrorists (11/06/01)
Solidarity Against All Forms of Terrorism (10/03/01)
Stopping Biopiracy (09/06/99)
Monsanto's Expanding Monopolies From Seed to Water (07/17/99)
-----
I think this women is a most brilliant Scientist. Read a few of her essays,and forget about the brainwashing of the Corporatacracy controlled media.
By the way, would any of you doubters, care to live next to the freeway ? Ha.

 
At 6:02 PM, April 22, 2007 , Blogger skip sievert said...

http://www.zmag.org/bios/homepage.cfm?authorID=90
Vandana Shiva's ZNet HomePage

 
At 6:12 PM, April 22, 2007 , Blogger skip sievert said...

A segment from Vandana Shiva.
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The Association for the Study of Peak Oil (ASPO), an umbrella organization of oil expects, mainly geologists who helped find oil fields are now warning us that there are only a trillion barrels or less of oil left, and the supply will peak within this decade. "Peak Oil", or the topping point, is the highest amount that can ever be pumped. Beyond "peak oil", there will be an overall decline in production and an increase in oil prices. Oil that costs $5 per barrel to extract could become $ 100 per barrel when confidence in supply erodes and demand increases, and there is recognition that we are in a world of shrinking oil supplies, not growing supplies.

Why are we as a country tying our future to a resource that must shrink and become more costly? As we build more superhighways and mega cities, destroying the decentralized fabric of our socio-economic organization, we need to ask how long will this last?

There is another reason to stop this frenzy of oil addiction, and that is climate change, or more accurately, climate chaos. Climate change is caused by fossil fuel emissions, and stabilizing carbon dioxide emissions is an ecological imperative. This is why the Kyoto Protocol to the climate change convention was signed. The insurance industry, which takes over $ 2 trillion in annual premiums, and is bigger than the oil industry, is now a major player in addressing climate change since they have to pay billions out in insurance as cities flood, cyclones such as Katrina uproot entire communities and heat waves kill.

 
At 8:47 AM, April 23, 2007 , Blogger mrsleep said...

FAR. Sorry to get back to you so late, but I was offline all weekend.

Back to your point, yes, I do want to acknowledge that you identified a couple of experts who are not Oil Industry hacks.

There are knowledgable "smart" people on both sides of this discussion.

I've worked with many propeller heads for years in my Hi Tech company, and many of these people are brilliant. I also know many of these brilliant people lack common sense, ie, "don't know to come inside out of the rain".

BTW. My Hi Tech company, has aggressive Corporate objectives to reduce our greenhouse gas emitions, by sizeable percentages over the next decade. We have lot's of smart people in our company. Are they all uniformed?

I can see the viewpoint of some experts examining long term climate change history.

All I know is we're seeing rapid evidence of warming right now. Glacier's melting at incredibly rapid rates. Radical changes to the icecaps. Accelerated destruction of rain forests, where the majority of the world's oxygen is generated. Rapid industrialization in China and India, and the associated greenhouse gas emitions.

We may never be able to get all the experts on the same page on this issue. Most experts however, are on the side of the argument that we have to take steps to curb greenhouse gas emitions.

 
At 9:08 AM, April 27, 2007 , Blogger Denmark Vesey said...

Great Post. Don't even feel the need to watch the movie now.

Great Comments: "People think they can 'fix' things with money. Once a resource is destroyed, it is gone forever. "

Big Ups to Skip Sievert.

 
At 8:31 PM, April 29, 2007 , Blogger Reign of Reason said...

The NAS -- composed of the most brilliant minds the country has to offer -- concluded that mankind is (at least) partially responsible for rising temps.

While this statement doesn't establish truth, it points to a simple choice: we can either except the results of science or we can reject them.

I'm not surprised FAR (at least partially) rejects them.

 
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