Thursday, December 20, 2007

And While The PC Thought Police Ban Christmas in America...

Iranians celebrate the merriest time of the year....

Santa Claus, Christmas Trees, Churches and, even a Merry Christmas sign in Tehran.


At 7:18 PM, December 21, 2007 , Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

What PC thought police? the only people who have told me it's bad to say Merry Christmas are ultra right conservatives. I make it a point to say it as often as I can to irritate them.

But it's amusing to see the Tehran pictures and to realize that Iraq's Christian community has basically been wiped out since our invasion.

Does one say Merry Eid al-Adha?

At 7:26 PM, December 21, 2007 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Yes, but there are no gay people there right ?
Who knows about those gay people. Maybe they really are gay.

At 12:22 PM, December 22, 2007 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...


You live in the south so perhaps it isn't the same way as it is here in La La Land. People will literally catch and correct themselves, "Merry....I mean...Happy Holidays."

You'd say Eid Mubarak or Happy Eid. :-)

At 1:09 PM, December 24, 2007 , Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

Mubarak means happy? Wow - I don't recall having seen old Hosni smile, but perhaps that would be kind of a scary thing. ;-)>

I hear people doing the same thing here in the Bible Belt, but nobody can tell me just who it is that says you shouldn't say Merry Christmas. It's sure not the government. The answer is always "them" or "the Liberals" but the few liberals I know are happy to say merry Christmas, as am I, when it's appropriate. I've never been offended by anyone saying it to me and can't imagine why I would be, even though I'm part of the 20% who are not Christian. I send Christmas cards, I give Christmas presents and I never shop at Wal-Mart.

Sure, there are big box stores like Wal-Mart that are trying not to mention it, but the Waltons aren't exactly Liberals, nor are the corporations that own the other handful of stores doing the same - and I've checked out stories about places like Lowes refusing to sell Christmas trees and found it to be a big lie.

I'm still convinced the entire thing is made up by the far right to spread discord for their own profit. They can't stand to see people celebrate without instructing them what to believe and to all of them, I wish a crappy Christmas and a miserable new year and that the Easter Bunny gets run over by Dick Cheney's SUV.

I think we'd all be better off celebrating more holidays anyway and I'm happy to participate, particularly when food is involved.

For what it's worth, Hannukah is far down on the long list of Jewish holidays nobody hears about, never was a present giving sort of day and making a fuss about it is a "me too" kind of puffery I don't subscribe to.

Anyway, if we don't use our freedom of speech, they'll take it away and I will add Eid Mubarak to my list of things to say to people who think I shouldn't mention Christmas.

Happy everything to all.

At 3:41 PM, December 27, 2007 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...

Mubarak means blessed. With that definition, perhaps good ol' Hosni's name makes more sense.

A friend of mine recently complained that the Christmas music show at his kids' school here in LA is now called the Winter Celebration. There are no songs that mention Christmas or Jesus, so the kids did Kool and the Gang's "Celebration". Nonetheless, there were three dradle songs.

Apparently a Jewish father sat in the audience two years ago, counted all the references to Christmas, Jesus, etc. and then complained. Now Christmas is axed, but dradle songs are cool. That's bullshit.

At 7:48 AM, December 28, 2007 , Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

Yes, it is. School policies may be one of the only instances of real meddling with what people can say since children don't seem to have much in the way of civil rights. I'm old enough to remember when we had to sing songs about "little Lord Jesus" in school, which I think is over the top, but we've gone too far the other way even though I don't think it's right for the public schools to be recruiting for Jesus or any other religion.

I have to wonder about how open minded our school districts would be about allowing Muslim holidays or Hindu holidays to be celebrated however. I find it suspicious that the 90% majority is claiming persecution whenever anyone questions their power.

School boards seem to be censoring students even when they are off campus and it's far from being limited to religion. The amount of semantic slithering that goes on in the name of eliminating racism or sexism is a good example, but still they have no legal power over us at all unless we're enrolled in school or unless they manage to stretch the definition of Hate Crime far enough.

I certainly agree that the Language Police are a bunch of empty headed, self-important ignoramuses, but they are not the government. I think for the most part they represent academia and have no legal power at all concerning what we say or do.

Still, it can't explain why people are claiming that "you can't say Christmas" because you can say it - there, I just did. Christmas, Christmas, Christmas!

I still can't help believing that much of the complaining we hear about "political correctness" is the creation of the right as a way to smear liberalism by equating it with authoritarianism.

So Mubarak means Baruch in Hebrew. That's also a name. As to whether Mubarak has been a blessing for Egypt - I will leave that up to you and I'm sure you know more than I do.

At 7:55 AM, December 28, 2007 , Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

Oh by the way, back in the 90's when I lived in Illinois, the local school faced a lot of protest from the local Muslim population about how they taught WW II history. Some insisted that the entire period should not be part of the High School curriculum.

School boards, as you know, have been forced to stop teaching scientific method and to start teaching Biblical bullshit and Mormon schools used to teach that black people were animals.

Everybody has an axe to grind and it's usually a religious axe.

At 4:45 PM, December 28, 2007 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...

I have to wonder about how open minded our school districts would be about allowing Muslim holidays or Hindu holidays to be celebrated however.

They don't need to be open minded about such things. If Muslims or Hindus want to celebrate their holidays, they can take their kids out of school for the day. Why the school district should shut down or "recognize" the holiday of three people is beyond me.

Perhaps if they are the majority and there is no justification for showing up if only 3 students will be there, that might make sense, but Christians are the majority in this country so it makes sense to close the schools when they will be out.

In any event, none of this has to do with holy-days. It has to do with a pathetic culture of victimization and competition of acceptance/tolerance that is being bred in this country. Some dumb-fuck Muslim or Jew sitting around whining about, "well, if they recognize Christmas, they should recognize Hanukkah and Eid too" needs to be kicked in the teeth. It's an ego trip; a chance to be a victim. Nothing more, nothing less.

If they don't want their kids around Christians, send them to parochial schools. Or better yet, send them to countries where their religion is the majority. There are daily flights to Jeddah and Tel Aviv.

At 11:07 PM, December 28, 2007 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Babe insurgent I feel you.
Yes send these devils back to the depths of the religious nonsense from whence they came.

It ain.t real. It cannot be measured. Yes''' it is fake.
Oh... the great god of false energy rules supreme.
Mmmm. oh shit. We are in trouble.

At 9:06 AM, December 30, 2007 , Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

Well I agree with that. Christmas is a legal holiday after all and yes, the fellow who doesn't want his kids to hear about Christmas but wants everyone else's kids to hear about Hannukah, or however you spell it, or any other holiday is indeed a jerk. Unfortunately jerks have money and influence and access to the courts and schools are running scared. It's a shame, but I think it's wrong to imagine a vast liberal-Jewish-Atheist-Commie movement from fear of some loopy individuals, a handful of anecdotes or from the need to portray non-Christians as demons. As I keep saying, my objection is to teaching religion with public funds, not about acknowledging it. I would like them all acknowledged - it's called education.

I enjoy Christmas, I used to have a tree for my kids. I used to sing Handel's Messiah in the school chorus. I buy toys for poor kids. I send cards saying Merry Christmas. I just wouldn't want them to be told that they have to believe that Jesus is God or that Christianity is the one true religion or that they don't belong in America by people I pay to teach arithmetic.

I'm not a believer, but that doesn't make me part of a group - it makes me not part of a group. Atheists and unbelievers are not ipso facto attacking anyone's right to celebrate, they just don't want this to be a country that makes us pay to teach Christianity or that requires a religious test for students or that ostracizes people for heresy.

That's just what many people want however and they are willing to slander and invent and pose as victims in order to accomplish it. It's no coincidence that Fox News is the major mouthpiece of the "war on Christmas" after all and ulterior motives and fake stories are what Fox is all about.

As unfair as any incident or any school district may be, there is no way anyone can ban Christmas in any form, public or private and the only people who ever have were the Puritans of New England in the colonial period. All we can legally ban is the requirement that everyone must pay for it.

There is a huge difference between saying Merry Christmas and taxing me so that kids will be taught that God has children with teen aged girls and then kills them so that I can be saved from the sin of something I never did. Perhaps those who want the latter are making a fuss about the former in order to further their crusade.

It's not fair or legal that I have to pay some 20 0r 30K every year so that the schools can teach religion or lead kids in prayer. Those who want that should also send their kids to parochial schools whether they claim a majority or not, because, by law, there is no official religion in the USA.

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