Friday, December 01, 2006

50 Shots

Sorry for the lazy blogging, but I've been uninspired. Checking out my favorite Libertarian website, Lew, I found the following article by A.D. Lelong about the murder of a soon-to-be bride groom in New York -

This past weekend 5 NYPD officers emptied 50 shots into a car with unarmed men inside. One officer, by himself, emptied 31 shots......that's two clips worth. We had the situation 7 years ago of Amadou Diallo killed with 41 rounds.

Last year 10 L.A. cops fired 120 rounds into a car within 18 seconds. And now we have NY Mayor Mike Bloomberg who (as Sir William S Gilbert said in PINAFORE "... can not tell at sight a Mauser rifle from a javelin") is "disturbed" by this latest mêlée, and doesn't see how 50 shots were needed. He said that the force was excessive.

Once again our government has set up the components for an inevitable situation. And then when the totally foreseeable event occurs, they refuse to question the premise that brought it about in the first place, because that would crimp the government agenda. The agenda is to use cops as initiators of force under the excuse of "crime prevention."

We have a thing in Anglo-Saxon law of being innocent until proved guilty. This is incompatible with the concept of "crime prevention." Crime prevention, which is politically popular under democratic mob-moron rule, requires law enforcement to go after criminals before they have committed a crime. Which means innocent people will always be the target of law enforcement. Going after the guilty means one has to wait until after there has been a crime. Politicians, always pandering to the unthinking masses, are always quick to tout "crime prevention" because it sounds like it protects people.

The origin of cops goes back to the Middle Ages when a volunteer was elected to stay awake to guard against nocturnal invaders/criminals etc., and to sound an alarm to wake up the rest of the people. This has morphed into the professional constable, a peace officer such as the formerly unarmed Bobbies in London; but in recent years the cops have become totally militarised, presumably because the criminals have more guns etc. They have also become militarised because the government, again for reasons of political pandering, has launched on various wars (booze /drugs/harlotry/crime/terrorism – or any politically unpopular vice). This past year Mayor Bloomberg has been waging a war on guns, which is another excuse for militarisation.

Cops have been turning into SS/Gestapo Officers. Unlike the old days, when cops broke up bar fights or kicked bums off park benches and patrolled around the neighbourhood visibly armed in crisp blue uniforms with shiny brass buttons, or directed traffic, or hung out with the corner druggist smoking and eating free donuts, cops are now infiltrating the citizenry as undercover agents with military weapons. Often they are agents provocateurs.

In the recent Queens incident, the officers were "undercover" in a strip club, and then misunderstood a presumably boisterous situation, causing them to become involved in a conflict which ended up with the cops firing 50 rounds at a car killing one, wounding another, and putting 11 shots into another, who is now in hospital in critical condition.

In the first place, the NYPD sends these guys into a sleazy strip club to look for trouble, which, in this case means guns and prostitution. They pretend they are not cops, which means acting like typical strip bar patrons – which means ordering alcohol (BTW there was no breath test after the incident) and acting like frat boys. Then when they find something that "appears" to be trouble, they jump in, and the episode reaches critical mass. Because they were undercover, they were not recognisable to other cops, or to patrons who thought the agents might be criminals. Indeed the victims in the Queens case freaked out when a cop pulled his weapon out on the street. The driver hit the gas grazing the cop which prompted the first shots. The cop said he identified himself, but the driver was too busy worrying about the gun.

In the second place, cops all carry semi-automatic Glock or Beretta hand guns. When I was a kid, cops carried 6 shot revolvers, and 12 extra bullets in bullet loops on their belts. Anyone familiar with revolvers knows how cumbersome this can be to reload. Today they carry 5 or 10 extra magazines on their belts, each magazine carrying 15 or 16 rounds. The old double action revolvers had a fairly hard trigger pull, unlike the new autos. If you used them as single action, you had to cock the hammer back first.

In both cases you had to think about each shot. A number of retired cops I have talked to said that was a factor in the Diallo case. NYPD Commissioner Ray Kelly said that cops are taught to fire three bursts, then examine the situation before firing again. In reality, a cop pumped up with fear, rage, and adrenalin won't do this. I also question whether they really are trained to do this. I saw a clip on the news from a cop training film. The objective was to train officers how to empty a clip onto a target as fast as possible whilst keeping his hand steady. It almost sounded like full auto. Then the officer changed his clip with lightning speed and popped off another clip. The objective is to fire a lot of rounds quickly into a small target pattern.

So we have the PD recruiting bouncer types. They tell them that they are needed by society and that they are heroes. Then they drop them into a hyper macho culture fostered by a close-knit tradition and the cop unions. Then the PD and the unions tell them how dangerous their job is, and they might not see their family again. They say that they need to be over-gunned to be safe. The PD then gives them high-capacity firearms with easy trigger pulls. They tell them they are fighting a "war." They then tell them to go "in country" after telling them that the criminals may be armed, and to be careful. In other words they propagandise them with Marine Corps cant.

Then Bloomie wonders how there are 50 shots.


At 7:28 PM, December 01, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, this story is all over the news out here. To say that it's crazy is a bit of an understatement...but there really aren't many other words to describe it.

At 9:41 AM, December 02, 2006 , Blogger Denmark Vesey said...

The police fired 120 rounds into a car in 18 seconds? Soon that will seem relatively tempered response.

Americans are being gradually corrupted, dehumanized and conditioned to accept a police state (New World Order).

Consider US airports. They are essentially little laboratories designed to condition the US population to unreasonable searches and invasions of our privacy.

Yes, this conditioning is done under the guise to “protect us” from “terrorism”. In fact forfeiture of our liberties and privacy is simply and systematically being “normalized”.

Of course, we huff and puff, shrug our shoulders, and then bend over, take our shoes off, remove our belts, show our ID, allow our belongings to be X-Rayed and throw away our liquids and gels like good little subservient prison camp detainees.

In a 1961 lecture, Aldous Huxley described this police state as "the final revolution": a "dictatorship without tears" where people "love their servitude."

The goal is to produce " a kind of painless concentration camp for entire societies so that people will in fact have their liberties taken away ... but ... will be distracted from any desire to rebel by propaganda or brainwashing ... enhanced by pharmacological methods."

Add cheap consumer goods, SUV’s and unlimited processed foods to that list and Mr. Huxley becomes Nostradamus.

If we accept what is being done in Guantanamo in our names, we will ultimately accept what is being done in Queens in our name.

At 6:00 PM, December 02, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Cool points vesey.

Next thing you know it is chip time. Then maybe your movements are tracked and you can no longer leave certain area`s.

America the ugly. Getting uglier all the time.
More and more people controlled more diabolically . Price system ethics , or in other words , Corporate control where money rules .
Military/Industrial/Congressional control for the money making overlords.
Crash test ahead.?

At 7:02 AM, December 04, 2006 , Blogger Denmark Vesey said...

"Price system ethics"

Interesting concept Skip.

corporate interests vs. human interests

Corporations (institutionalized inhumanity) are up by 12 with 2 minutes left in the 4th quarter.

Humanity needs a team with Kobe, Jordan, Bird and Magic if we have a chance at making in to the next round of evolution.


At 7:50 AM, December 04, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Did you all know that the Justice Dept. just recently OK`d a new technology that turns all your cell phones into something called a -Roving Bug- ?
This technology can be downloaded into a cell phone. It then becomes a microphone whether it is off or on , or opened or closed.
It can receive any conversation in a room you are in. You could also be a pawn for the desire to bug those around you , as this can be instantly downloaded into your phone if you are near people that they want to eaves drop on.
Think I am kidding.? I`m not.

That's right folks. So welcome to the Brave New World , or is 1984.?

Still want that cell phone around you all the time.? As said you can be listened to if it is on or off.

So who can do this.? Who ever has the money of course. That's the way the price system works.
For more on Price System ethics Vesey go to

At 5:38 PM, December 04, 2006 , Blogger bombsoverbaghdad said...

"We have a thing in Anglo-Saxon law of being innocent until proved guilty."

Too bad you have to be Anlgo Saxon to gain the benefits.

What am I supposed to do, get on a plane with a bunch of folks that haven't been searched? No thanks.

At 8:01 PM, December 06, 2006 , Blogger Denmark Vesey said...

What am I supposed to do, get on a plane with a bunch of folks that haven't been searched? bombsoverbaghdad

Do you think searching people at airports makes you safer?

You drive on freeways with “a bunch of folks that haven’t been searched.”

You work in a building with “a bunch of folks that haven’t been searched.”

You eat in restaurants with “a bunch of folks that haven’t been searched.”

You attend ballgames with “a bunch of folks that haven’t been searched.”

You shop in markets with “a bunch of folks that haven’t been searched.”

Would you feel safer if all those people were searched too?

Just like cancer and aids – you don’t fight terrorism, you avoid it. If you think you are taking your shoes off in airport security checkpoints, because of terrorism – you’ve put the cart in front of the horse.

"It does not matter whether the war is actually happening, and, since no decisive victory is possible, it does not matter whether the war is going badly. All that is needed is that a state of war should exist." - George Orwell

At 9:18 AM, December 07, 2006 , Blogger LNaranjoiv said...

Wow......BOMBS said something neat........I'm impressed, no pun inteneded.

But this from Vessey?:
" Just like cancer and aids – you don’t fight terrorism, you avoid it. "

Get a AVOID terrorism like aids and cancer??

Ummmmmm, you can't be that stupid, can you??
That would be like avoiding being robbed at might for a while, but sooner or later, you WILL be a victim of crime at that rate.
If you AVOID reporting crime in your neighborhood, you WILL be a statistic later on.

Burying one's head in the sand doesn't STOP terrorism. Nor would it stop AIDS either, but the two don't equate anyways, so how did you come up with such a doofus analogy??

Spain avoided terrorism for a while, then they got nailed. After their election to no longer support the World War on Terror, they STILL got nailed.

" Just like cancer and aids – you don’t fight terrorism, you avoid it. "

This is THE dumbest thing I've seen on here in some time.......amazing.
No wonder folks are like they are.

At 9:21 AM, December 07, 2006 , Blogger LNaranjoiv said... more thing to add to your diatrab:

People aren't searched in markets??
First time some whacknuts hit a market, spray the area or blow themselves up IN one, you'll see searches.

People are searched in ballgames now, unless YOU slip past them.
People are sometimes searched before entering workplaces now....thank you postal people as a point.

First gas truck explodes in a packed freeway during Rush Hour, we'd have to see how the authorities handle THAT one.

For every ACTION there's a REACTION.
Even the Enemy knows that one.

At 10:42 AM, December 07, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Good quote Vesey .

War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.

All double speak concepts. Orwell was just brilliant.

We have been in this exact state of war that Orwell is describing since 1948 or world war two time when his book was written.

Our economy , the military/industrial/congressional complex runs on war.

I suggest a general strike march on Washington with about 2 million people minimum , and the rest of the country that is interested to have a work slow down or stoppage.
Essential services , hospitals etc, not included.
That would give people not interested in surrounding the white house and calling for Bush`s resignation , and withdrawal from Iraq ,a chance to also get involved.

Sorry Insurgent for being off topic , but just rolling with the posts.

I have floated this Idea on a certain website called Vigilance , run by Vigilante.
If any of you are interested maybe you could go there and comment .

At 11:47 AM, December 07, 2006 , Blogger Denmark Vesey said...

But this from Vessey?:
" Just like cancer and aids – you don’t fight terrorism, you avoid it. "

Get a AVOID terrorism like aids and cancer??

Ummmmmm, you can't be that stupid, can you??
That would be like avoiding being robbed at might for a while, but sooner or later, you WILL be a victim of crime at that rate.
If you AVOID reporting crime in your neighborhood, you WILL be a statistic later on.

OK Tough Guy …

First of all, I’d like to thank you for responding to my post. When I witness this great nation misled into wars not in it’s interest, squandering it’s national treasury and wasting the lives of it’s young men at the whim of foreign lobbyists … I often wonder if anyone in this country could be so stupid and so easily manipulated with fear that they would send their own children to die for a lie.

Thank you for confirming my suspicion. People that stupid and sheep-like do exist in America. You watch too much TV. People like you deserve to live in totalitarian states.

No, you don’t avoid getting robbed at gunpoint.

You avoid getting robbed by not robbing other people.

You avoid terrorism by not terrorizing others. You avoid getting bombed, by not bombing other people. If you love your own children, don’t kill the children of others.

In short - do unto others is the best defense.

Of course little Fox News Morons like yourself, believe we were attacked on 911 for no reason other than “dey hate us”.

Apparently Rush Limbaugh or O’Reilly, or CBS news or the AIPAC website never suggested to your dumb ass that the 20 years of US Foreign Policy prior to 911 had much to do with what happened on 911.

It will be a great day when blogging technology allows you to reach through cyberspace and just smack the shit out of people. America wouldn’t be in the situation we are in now if it weren’t for these poorly educated, arrogantly ignorant, insecure, geographically challenged victims of propaganda.

At 3:48 PM, December 07, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

denmark, you may as well give up on Iranajoy now. Logic of any kind won`t work. He is incorrigible.

Some people are not moved by facts at all. Just belief , and there is no accounting for belief. Iranajoys variety is just mainstream price system flunkyism . Ha.

At 8:42 AM, December 08, 2006 , Blogger LNaranjoiv said...

Okay azzmunch, let's quote you once more, with your double-speak lecture, shall we?
You stated:

" It will be a great day when blogging technology allows you to reach through cyberspace and just smack the shit out of people. "

Yet, earlier you stated:
" In short - do unto others is the best defense. "

Yes, I"ll agree with you, being able to smack the shit out of someone thru cyber space would make my day, and be the last mistake of a living human being YOU"D ever make.

So, it's 20 years of our policy's that's led us to defeat terrorism?
Wow....20 years......amazing, you must be about that old.

I guess you're too stupid to comprehend what it is the enemy says about us: They hate us, our system, and our way of life.

Is that FOX NEWS or the terrorists who say this??

Another thing you said/stated:
" If you love your own children, don’t kill the children of others. "

Why, when the terrorists start believing THOSE words, we'd probably never have more terrorism....ya think?
Nah....liberal azzmunches like yourself, never fault the BAD GUYS...only the ones killing them.

The way you phrased your comments, it would appear that YOU maam, sir, whatever, chose to NOT stand up for anything, but are more than happy to see others sacrifice for you instead. Ahhh, the epitomy of selfishness.....gotta luv you libs.

Dayum shame those people in the NY Towers worked for corporations and helped our hated society get attacked....why, I"m sure those terrorists cried knowing LIBS died instead of us CONSERVES.....oh well, simple mistake.

By the way, the beheading of that reporter, what was his name?? Was that a mistake too? Yea, you're right, probably was....they HAD to have known, he loved ' the world, hated BUSH and cared about the global warming thing, "....right??

Yup........our fault.
Exactly how losers like you think.
And you want to discuss logic....

ahahahahaha.......too funny.

At 11:07 AM, December 08, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

I agree Iranajoy that Vesey crossed the lines of good manners with his reaching out and smacking comment.

Any one wishing to start a General Strike to shut down the country to protest and stop the war go to The Vigil a blog spot and look for the post on this idea , and join in on some thoughts about it.

The only thing these politos of either stripe relate to is economics.
The American people are still a good people. Given a chance to do something in protest many will.

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