Thursday, August 31, 2006

The Liar In Chief

The Chimperor declared to a grinning American Legion audience that America's battle with "terrorism" is "the decisive ideological struggle of the 21st century." He went on with his carefully crafted speech -

Despite their differences, these groups form the outline of a single movement, a worldwide network of radicals that use terror to kill those who stand in the way of their totalitarian ideology," he said. "And the unifying feature of this movement, the link that spans sectarian divisions and local grievances, is the rigid conviction that free societies are a threat to their twisted view of Islam.
In case that did not scare you into giving up your civil liberties, Bush resorted to the oft-abused Hitler comparison to drive the point home, explaining that the Islamic terrorists "are successors to fascists, to Nazis, to communists and other totalitarians of the 20th century."

This fascinating exercise in propaganda would be humorous if the American sheeple did not take it so seriously. In a few sentences, Bush insults the intelligence of anyone who has studied history by claiming that what we are witnessing is the coalescence of one global movement hell bent on attacking "free societies" and they are the sucessors to Hitler and communism.

Taking the Liar-In-Chief at his speechwriter's word, though, one must question why the United States funded, supported and encouraged these groups for decades if they are as dangerous as now claimed.

As explained by Brendan O'Neill,
both British and U.S. intelligence supported the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood, the group from which so many of today's radical Islamic sects – including Hamas and even al-Qaeda – have sprung. Indeed, in the 1920s, the British, then the colonial rulers of Egypt, helped to set up the Muslim Brotherhood as a means of keeping Egyptian nationalism and anti-colonialism in check. The immediate precursor to the Muslim Brotherhood was an organization called the Society of Propaganda and Guidance, which was funded and backed by British colonialists. In return, the Society provided Islamist backing to British rule in Egypt. It published a journal called The Lighthouse, which attacked Egyptian nationalists – who wanted British forces out of Egypt – as "atheists and infidels." Under British patronage, the Society set up the Institute of Propaganda and Guidance, which brought Islamists from across the Muslim world to Egypt so they could be trained in political agitation, and then take such anti-anti-colonialism back to their own homelands.

In his book Sleeping With the Devil, former CIA officer Robert Baer said there was a "dirty little secret" in Washington in the early 1950s:
The White House looked on the Brothers as a silent ally, a secret weapon against – what else? – communism. The covert action started in the 1950s with the Dulles brothers – Allen at the CIA and John Foster at the State Department – when they approved Saudi Arabia's funding of Egypt's Brothers against Nasser. As far as Washington was concerned, Nasser was a communist.

During the Afghan-Soviet war from 1979 to 1992, American and British intelligence once again supported radical Islamists against, in this instance, secularist and communist forces. Where the Cold War began with America and Britain supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and other radical Islamists against popular secular movements, it ended with America and Britain arming, financing, and propagandizing on behalf of radical Islamists fighting the Soviet Union's last stand in Afghanistan before its collapse in the early 1990s.

Throughout the 1980s, the CIA and the British intelligence organization MI5 arranged for the arming and training of thousands of mujahedeen in Afghanistan. But now we watch as Muslim men who attended these CIA-run camps are thrown into Gitmo. American and British elements, together with Saudi Arabia and the Pakistani intelligence service ISI, ensured that the mujahedeen had everything they needed to wage war against the Soviets. Can anyone forget the scene from Fahrenheit 911 of the Taleban leaders being given a tour of Washington D.C.?

Then there was that embarassing Iran-Contra scandal wherein the American public learned that the United States was arming the Islamic Republic of Iran, which we are now supposed to believe poses an imminent threat to world safety.

If this struggle is about ideology, then Saudi Arabia should be America's first target. It is home to state-imposed Wahhabi Islam, a disgusting, violent interpretation of Islam that prohibits women from living as human beings and that considers weekly public beheadings a source of entertainment. There are few societies on this earth that are less free than the desert prison-nation government by the House of Al-Saud. But America says nothing.

If we are indeed engaged in an ideological struggle, who is fighting on behalf of "free societies" since our brilliant leaders have been on the side of Islamic extremism for decades?


At 7:20 AM, September 01, 2006 , Blogger Sarabeth said...

Who could have foreseen that these Muslim organizations would have turned on their sources of funding? Did anyone? Not that I have read.

At 9:06 AM, September 01, 2006 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...


Your question is beside the point and the answer is irrelevant. If, as Bush says, it is an ideological struggle, it is quite apparent that their ideology has not changed since conception. The appropriate question should be why the ideology was worthy of US funding for years and still is in Saudi Arabia, but isn't in Iran?

At 1:41 PM, September 01, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Is it about ideology.? Then what ideology.?
Bush is an entertainer, and a poor one at that. Bush and Clinton uphold the same status quo. They are the same. Our economy runs on war, and has since the late 30`s. It was then that the corporations took complete control of our political system. Most people that think about these things, think that this takeover happened around the 10 year period between 1938 and 1948.
Any one that thinks that America is a land of freedom and Democracy is brainwashed.
Our system will do anything, and kill any one in order to make money.
Bush is comical, and yes a dangerous lunatic.
Warning ; Any one who will do one thing to one person, will also do it to another. - Our system that has killed so many innocent people in the middle east will just as readily turn on the American people with as much brutality and hatred. Sound unlikely. ? Think about it.
There is no political solution to the problems that confront us.
What we need is a new American revolution, and a changed culture.
What we are doing now will end up killing us all. Pity, because it could be such a lovely world.
Having traveled extensively in Egypt and other parts of the middle east and being a history buff with a burning curiosity of that area , I am tempted to get into the history you bring up here.
I will just say that it is a tough neighborhood, where as here , many people have been victimized by different concepts of belief, mostly used to manipulate and control them.

At 2:04 PM, September 01, 2006 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...

You are right Skip - they don't care about the American people. Katrina is proof of that. Back in the 60's, in their desperation to provoke a war with Cuba, the Joint Chiefs of Staff proposed putting snipers in various American cities, killing people for a while and then blaming it on Cuba. Fortunately, Johnson was too busy with other stuff and didn't get to their proposal.

And those are the sickos who run this country. Wasn't Powell one of the joint chiefs?

At 3:26 PM, September 01, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

An old friend of mine that used to work for a certain agency through the military, that has three initials in its acronym, trained Fidel and Raul in the time period, a little before, the one you mention. He was working for that agency through his military job and training Fidel , Raul and Che in the mountains when the whole bunch were being funded by that group, our C.I.A. Not many people know that we trained , armed and provided Castro with all his intelligence to topple the government there. It was after the fact that Castro " turned on us"
My friend spent many hours with these three, and some others discussing things. Some very interesting things. My friend liked Che and Raul particularly. They were very smart. They talked a lot late into the night.
This friend of mine is now in his middle late 70`s. He is the most intelligent person I know. Also a member of the group I belong to and that is not the group with the three letters mentioned earlier.
He liked Castro a lot. Why.? Because he told us to go screw ourselves, and that is putting it politely.

Keep in mind that there really is not an alternative movement that is alive and well in the U.S.
People like Chomsky and Goodman are fake. Part of the Price System. That goes for that phony satellite supposedly alternative news shows also with Amy Goodman and others on them.
These people never get at the real issue`s. Democracy now.? Ha ha.~! What a joke. These people make a lot of money, many of these professional smart people. Left and right wing are actually the same. Democrats and Republicans are the same also. Politicians are the problem. We do not need that class anymore. They are parasites. Most are unconscious. Many don`t have a creative bone in their bodies. They use a kind of JuJu or Voodoo that their focus groups have discovered to trick and intimidate our fellow citizens.
There are some real alternative to our present system. These people running things now have no values. they will kill us all in their quest to make money. Funny isn`t it.

At 5:35 PM, September 01, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To say that these groups "turned on us" is inaccurate and one-sided. The problem is complex but largely short-term, narrowly focused, political thinking on the part of the US government. It springs from a self-centered worldview that is mirrored in egocentric politics - on both sides of the spectrum.

Of course it's not everyone and the actual Big Picture is so big its totality is incomprehinsible, but administrations like Bush's are either unwilling (or unable) to see beyond this short-term, immediate selfishness - like a spoiled child.

At 7:26 PM, September 01, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

You miss my point birdy. When I say he turned on us, it is a figure of speech , only to make a point. This period that my friend knew Castro and his crew was in the late 50`s. The American government overthrew the Cuban Government using Castro. Castro turned on us in the sense that he used us to capture Cuba , and then due to a few interesting factors that I won`t get into , realized that we were not only the bad guys, but also the dumb guys. Ha.~ !
Get it now.?
You may think that the actual big picture is so big that it is actually incomprehensible to understand its totality. I honestly don`t know what you mean by that. You seem like an intelligent human.
Its not rocket science. My friend used to teach that also btw.
As far as both sides of the spectrum there is not a both sides. Just one side. That side is our Price System.
You my friend have been brainwashed. Sorry to have to tell you. You have been tricked by this shoddy play.
It was constructed to make you think that you actually had a choice. You don`t though. You are a cog.
You can change that if your interested.
By the way when you say the problem is narrowly focused and short term based you are wrong. We have used the same faulty and twisted way to control and manipulate our political world since it was struck on in about 2200 BC in Babylon.

At 7:38 PM, September 02, 2006 , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Skip, about the "turns on us" comment, I was actually referring to Sarabeth. Not the Castro thing. I don't really have a comment on that since I'm not too familiar with that point in history. I appreciate the response though - even though I don't necessaarily agree with it.

At 8:47 PM, September 02, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Oh, ok my mistake. I thought that the insurgent dealt with the sarabeth comment pretty fully. Ha.!
Cute picture though with the ocean and everything .

At 7:47 AM, September 04, 2006 , Blogger Possum said...

II: Is it apparent their ideology hasn't changed since conception?

If so then maybe our western ideology has changed to a point that is no longer able to be tolerated by the pure Muslim theology. Did it not occur to you that the expansion of the technology of information has taken away the protections of distance and geography that made the fence of good neighbors in the 1920s. That our roles of women and entertainment choices are invading their yard and undermining their control of their followers?

There is more the buildup than Baywatch, Hillary and Condi coming over the fence. The overwhelming threat of Communism that was armed with nukes and wanted to control our choices in the Cold War. We made decisions that seemed good at the time (the enemy of my enemy is my friend). The Islmaics were as against Communism as we were, because pure Communisim is Godless.

Yet now the Mullahs are joining with the Godless China. Is that going to be an alliance they regret 50 years from now?

It is also apparent that you have forgotten the largest attack ever on our home soil killing 3000 innocent citizens. Ironic considering the anniversary is within 10 days of your post. There has been an ongoing campaign against the US for 30 years from their side and we just now are truly striking back.

If those articles are taken in a soap bubble that removes the facts that do not fit the theory then you are fine. Unfortunately that's also a very weak and stupid argument.

Consider my questions carefully II. I'd say while Birdy has a grasp, he is a little off as the world could be more accurately described as a multiplayer chess game with alliances and gambits constantly in motion. II, your omissions of key elements of history to make your point removes much of your credibility as do your glib chlidish comments of the President.

At 8:18 AM, September 04, 2006 , Anonymous Sarabeth said...

Birdy--I'm well aware of history on both sides and the fact that many factions and countries have ignored their former friends to turn against them. It was a simplistic wording for a complex issue, but not wholly inaccurate. I'm sure somewhere someone on both sides thought (and maybe even said) that they were dealing with fire.

And, I'm not defending Bush. I don't like him and his fervent adherence to his own idealologies and policies. His insistence that we go into Iraq, ridiculous and ill-founded.

At 9:11 AM, September 04, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Possum, while I did not understand your comment about godless communism, and baywatch and several other things, I for one think that sarabeth is very cute, and at the very least could see her as an extra, and perhaps more ,on the old baywatch show.
I might add that I for one like the Islamists. You gotta love any one that is so brainwashed that they will blow themselves up for a falsehood.
You just don`t want to fight those types. You just can`t beat them.
By the way Possum , it is the Chinese who are funding our so called war on terror. By buying our treasuries they are funding it, and also our consumer spending debt, spending bender that we are on. I am sure you knew that . Right.? The Chinese like us could not care less about the so called god you mention. They are hardly Communists , as you call them. They have the same exact system as us. They are just brainwashed slightly differently.

God is a concept , by which we measure our pain ; John Lennon.

At 10:33 AM, September 04, 2006 , Blogger Intellectual Insurgent said...


I genuinely do not understand the point you are trying to make. Bush says this is an ideological struggle. My post asks, if that is true, why has the US supported that ideology and why does it continue to do so (e.g. Saudi Arabia)?

In all the rhetoric you offer, you fail to answer that fundamental question. Don't blather on about 9/11 and then ignore the fact that the majority of the alleged hijackers came from Saudi Arabia, a prison-nation run by some of the worst religious fanatics in the world and fully funded and supported by the U.S.

Until you answer that, the hyperbole about whether the Islamists had a change of heart about western culture is utterly irrelevant. What is relevant is why the U.S. - the president you voted for - still takes long walks in the park holding hands with them.

At 5:00 PM, September 05, 2006 , Blogger bombsoverbaghdad said...

It's incredible to me that the people that are scaring us into fighting "fascists" are the same people seeking to centralize suveillance powers. Even for a swine like Bush, stooping to the use of the "fascist" card is low.

The comparisons to 1939 don't deserve two seconds of consideration. In 1939, Roosevelt stated that he would not enter WWII, and the vast majority of people backed him. Until 9/11 err Pearl Harbor.

George Bush is a stone-cold idiot, surrounded by highly intellectual Right Wing Jews, committed to the expansion of Israel, their own enrichment, creating support through their allies in the media, and the hyper-expansion of American foreign policy.

At 8:51 PM, September 05, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

I would say the gist of what your saying is correct bombs over , However, I would not separate it into just Bush. It is our entire system that is under the spell of the religious cranks. Born agains, and orthodox Jews are pretty much the same thing. They are brainwashed into belief of the Yahwah god and follow his orders. Not sure if I would use the word intellectual along with the neo-cons like Pearl, William Crystal and others. They also are under the spell of Religion and the Price System. So what do you do with a bunch of dangerous lunatics.? Clinton or Bush qualify. All politicians are about the same. They care about money. They don`t care about the truth. Indeed we are run by the corporation now with the relgious crank politicians as front men for them. There is not a political way out of the present circumstance. We need to alter the basis of our culture. Change out of a political system. We are doomed using that method.

At 7:32 AM, September 06, 2006 , Blogger Crankyboy said...

It is home to state-imposed Wahhabi Islam, a disgusting, violent interpretation of Islam that prohibits women from living as human beings...

If women can prohibit men from living as human beings shouldn't the reverse be allowed? Just wondering.

At 8:58 AM, September 06, 2006 , Blogger LNaranjoiv said...

Bombsover says:

" George Bush is a stone-cold idiot, surrounded by highly intellectual Right Wing Jews, committed to the expansion of Israel, their own enrichment, creating support through their allies in the media, and the hyper-expansion of American foreign policy. "

Probably the reason why the LIB DEMO's can't beat him out of office. Cause he's an idiot.

Ummmmm, yea....right.

At 11:29 AM, September 06, 2006 , Blogger Capt. Fogg said...

Isn't it nice when someone defends Bush's intellegence and screws up the post so bad it appears three times?

Oh yes, and you contraction for Liberal Democrats doesn't require a possessive apostrophy, Einstein.

Maybe he was chewing gum and trying to post at the same time, but examine the metaphor:

If Hitler was so dumb, why couldn't the LIB DEMO's get rid of him

If Stalin . . .

If Goerge III was so dumb - wait a minute, the Liberals did get rid of him, didn't they?

At 12:33 PM, September 06, 2006 , Blogger mrsleep said...

Attempting to take the high road here :)

Whatever happens to forward the National interest is the standard policy our Government will pursue.

Now the question is, "how do we define the National interest?" More often that not it is to defend our business interests, and we want to make sure no one threatens us for the top dog in the world.

Most of the public worries about the here and now, and has little lucid memory about the past.

Dubya has changed his story at least five times about why we are in Iraq, and why we remain there.

All Americans agree we have to defend our Nation, and our people against Terrorists, and Terrorism.
What people don't agree upon is how our actions can help spread the seedlings of Terrorism.

Just look at the guy in charge of uzbeck a stan, or whatever the stan is. In the long run, he'll make Sadaam look like a choir boy.

Idi Amin was as bad as they come, and guess what, we were damn passive about doing anything about him. Darfur? Uganda or Darfur were not or are not National interest issues.

At 12:59 PM, September 06, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

All religious and political solutions are dead ends. There are currently no real choices available that are operating in the real world. Our political/economic system is now a failure. It doesn`t matter who is care taking it. Which side , doesn`t effect that both sides, are the same.
It is a mistake to take a position in favor of one religious group or another.
It is important to run out of scapegoats.
We all have to look in the mirror. That is who controls things. We have to change into a different culture with different values , if we care to survive.

At 5:35 PM, September 06, 2006 , Blogger LNaranjoiv said...

To Cpt Fogg???

You'll have to pardon when the computer screws up sending a response, I'm sure you will NEVER do the same, for I'll be on your sorry azz like flies on stink as you are to me.

As to what LIBS do/don't do or how smart they are/aren't??
As stated, Bush is in office....your side isn't.
Bush is STILL in office, while your side TRIES to remove him.

Short of that, I'll ask THE fundemental question that's BEEN asked, however LIBS can't answer:

IF, the DEMO"s are SO hot about leaving Iraq??
Why aren't they pulling the funding?????

Not one DEMO is advocating this.
Not even Hillary.

So.......have at it, Einstein.

At 5:39 PM, September 06, 2006 , Blogger LNaranjoiv said...

Pvt Fogg states:

" Oh yes, and you contraction for Liberal Democrats doesn't require a possessive apostrophy, Einstein. "

I believe your silly azz self MEANT to say:

....YOUR contraction.....

I'll forgive you for trying to belittle me while looking like a twit, if you'll forgive my extra posts that I removed.

0 = ]

At 7:28 PM, September 06, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

I wish I could get through the static.
Both sides are the same. Hillary and Bush represent the same thing. That thing is our Price System , which cares not for intelligence, or sanity.
It cares to make money. Nothing else.
Our values are fake.
The method the system use`s and has always used is divide and conquer. Confuse things with ridiculous politics and scapegoating one group or another. Creating division is the systems stock and trade.
The Price System controls the main media outlets. They allow the fake alternative things such as Amy Goodman and such to disorient the people and excite them into thinking that is alternative. It isn`t.
Same is true for the group that listens to Rush Limbaugh and his sort.
Liberals.? Conservatives.? Talk of such is pointless activity.
Why not get at the underlying cause`s that are tormenting our society.

At 7:36 AM, September 07, 2006 , Blogger howie said...

Intellectual Insurgent

I stumbled across some of your writings. Can't agree with all...but great points and great humor.

Israeli's can be arrogant...but most typically that is a public persona. They can also be the warmest, most generous and hospitable of peoplel. Don't forget, though Arabs AND Jews deny it...about 50% of Israeli Jews are Arab.

But that struggle for the truth and I admire that. You also introspect and self-criticize, and I admire that. And you have caught on to the fact that people worship culture like it was God...why is culture important at all. Michael Jackson is/was American culture...that is important? Should we fight and die for baseball and hot dogs?

Hope to see you on some of the blogs.

I am usually on THinking Lebanese or Ammar

At 11:30 AM, September 07, 2006 , Blogger Capt. Fogg said...


OK, so we're even.

At 2:37 PM, September 07, 2006 , Blogger mrsleep said...

twit for twat (what?) it's nice to keep some civility on the board.

At 3:38 AM, September 08, 2006 , Anonymous Blacklander said...

It's easier to toss all the enemies in one basket of "hostile alien ideology", as opposed to discussing why would people like normal americans and hate their governments. It's not logical to assume they are all borderline personalities.
What scares me is that kind of rhetoric is usually a pretext of a more "decisive action". In the middle east we have reasons -strong reasons- to doubt american intentions for our nations. Democracy, freedom, stability, security, that doesn't cut it. The US government supports totalitarian regimes as long as they direct their injustice to their own people. And any voice of opposition to the US is instantaneously labled "evil".
Self-righteousness is the very basis of terrorism, political or religious. Which is way the current US government has nothing to preach.
Kudos on your entry.

At 6:36 PM, September 11, 2006 , Blogger squawpeak said...

There is a strong common denominator between Nazi's and today's Muslim terrorists.

Both identify with a group which spills across national borders, has had a rich, proud cultural history, but comes to a point of humiliation and brokenness.

Rather than admit that the troubles they find themselves in are largely their own responsibilities, they identify a scapegoat (Jews/"the Crusaders") to explain away their own failures. The true-believing ones among them then commence killing members of the scapegoated class in a vain attempt to recapture lost cultural glory and edify their own fragile egos.

The radical Muslim ideology leads to things such as pushing an old, wheelchair-bound man off a cruise ship, publicly (via internet) beheading multiple civillians and in many cases, leaving their bodies in "humiliating" poses.

They are so backward they can't catch up in decades. Not because they are incapable, but because their hate has blinded them. They trade in death, not stocks. They do not build, they destroy.

The history of British & U.S. encouragement of these animals doesn't change what they are today, and outside cocktail party discussion, doesn't really provide any answers for how to deal with them.

It's sort of like explaining to me the history of the Colt company while a mugger has one pointed in my face. I don't care who made it or how, I want to know how to exit the situation alive.

If Jerry Brown accepted a Bush invitation to take over the presidency tomorrow, we would still have a group of people who would like to take a few more aviational swings at us, and President Brown would be charged with confronting that threat.

At 8:59 AM, September 12, 2006 , Blogger skip sievert said...

Thank you for revealing yourself. You are an ignorant person. There is always hope for people like you. Maybe.
To take the part of any religious group is foolish. Whether they are Christian , Jewish, or Muslim , or Hindu it makes no difference. Religion has no basis in reality , and was primarily developed to control and manipulate people with certain rules deemed by certain power possessor's, to be important , usually in relation to commercial/money gain for themselves.
For you to defend the British and American system of government is also ignorant. Both are based on archaic , failing value systems that are not based on any kind of humanitarian and secular reality of good governance especially for the time we are living in.
For you to say that we represent modernity is absurd.
We represent now one of the most ignorant and lost societies that has ever existed.

At 12:22 AM, September 21, 2006 , Blogger Free Agency Rules said...


It is always the first order of intellectual discussion to tell the truth and then state opinions, so I will do that.

First, there is a problem with both the Dems and the Repubs in supporting Saudi Arabia. It isn't just Bush, it is both parties. If we elect another Dem for President do you honestly believe the friendship will change? It won't, you can bet on it. Clinton was so concerned about people loving him, he would not do anything as destructive as to bring on a depression by cutting off ties to the Saudi Princes and their flow of oil. Bush makes friends with them for similar reasons. He doesn't care about being loved, but he also wants the flow of oil to continue. Simple as that.

But, it isn't money or oil that is the problem, it is the love of money and the desire of many of the super rich and the super powerful to be "King of the World."

All of the Ideologies, Communism, World Socialism, Fascism, and the current 12th Imam-ists, are all after the prize of having a unified world goverment. They all believe that wars are caused by Nationalism, and if we have just one big world government with no boarders then there would be nothing to fight for. Ha! What foolish folly. What Naïveté.

Many people will always want what others have. And they will always have a "good motive" (In their eyes), in trying to divide up the spoils, with them getting the bigger share of coarse.



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